On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:45:47 -0700, sf
<see_reply_address_at_gmail_dot_com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:42:54 GMT, "James Silverton"
><not.jim.silverton@verizon.not> wrote:
>
>>Hello, All!
>>
>>I have not researched this matter but my impression is that
>>bialys are *not* boiled before baking and bagels are. The other
>>major difference is that bialys don't have a hole but a
>>depression, almost always with chopped onion in it.
>>
>I'm not a bialy fan and never looked up a recipe.
>
>>A lot of people say that you can't get good bagels or bialys
>>outside New York City but those from Bethesda Bagels here are up
>>to NYC standards, IMHO. Whole Foods sells quite good bagels but
>>they are only for emergencies :-)
>>
>I've been on vacation for over 2 weeks and this is the first time I've
>been able to read rfc on a "real" news reader (google groups isn't
>real AFAIC), so sorry this reply is late.
>
>"People say" isn't good enough for me anymore. I went on the ulitmate
>bagel quest in Manhattan and it was a real snipe hunt. There ain't no
>such thing! It was always someplace I wasn't. At the time, we had a
>bagel place here in San Francisco that blew every so called NY bagel I
>tried completely out of the water. Now - Holy Bagel is out of
>business for reasons unknown to me, so there is no place that makes a
>decent bagel anymore IMO.

Western Bagel here in Southern California makes a pretty good bagel.
We buy them at the bakery on Sepulveda Blvd the same day they are
made. They do ship to other states (and Northern California), but I
don't know what the shipping delay does to the bagels.

Check out http://www.westernbagel.com/loc_index.php for locations.

It's like buying San Francisco sourdough bread her in SoCal. It's
nothing like buying the same bread in San Francisco. I'm still
looking for good sourdough bread here in the Valley.

Ron