The Truthful Assh0le <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote:
>On Aug 15, 12:42 am, Blair P. Houghton <b...@p.h> wrote:
>> The Truthful Assh0le <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote:
>>
>> >On Aug 14, 12:15 am, Blair P. Houghton <b...@p.h> wrote:
>> >> Haagen Dazs is a made up name for an ice cream that was
>> >> developed by marketing formulists back before there were any
>> >> premium ice creams.
>>
>> >> Then people who knew what ice cream really was got
>> >> themselves some marketing geeks to help sell their stuff.
>>
>> >But unlike B&J, they haven't started putting in crap to save on
>> >ingredient costs.
>>
>> http://www.haagen-dazs.com/reserve/
>>
>> What's "reserve" about mix-ins?
>
>A desperate attempt to change the subject to Haagen-Dazs' "marketing"
>because you can't win the quality argument?

No, an iteration of the fact that you're a sucker rather
than a credible critic.

>> HD is a pretentious pile of marketing dreck.
>>
>This argument could go on for a long time, but you're arguing the
>losing side.

You're supposed to move on when you declare victory.

>This isn't about rhetorical skills. If we switched positions, I could
>never defend your position.

Because you're ignorant. If you had a clue, you wouldn't
think HD was the best ice cream.

>You are so completely wrong that anyone
>else who is still reading this thread is probably shaking their head,
>thinking, "I thought that Blair was one of the smart people on
>r.f.cooking. Why is he just digging himself in deeper?"

So after whining ">This isn't about rhetorical skills" you
resort to sophomoric ad hominem and blatant projection.

>> >> Now HD is probably the 5th or 6th best ice cream in any
>> >> case it appears in.
>>
>> >Boy, you must shop at stores with huge varieties of ice cream brands.
>> >So tell me, what nationally known brand is better? How about Edy's/
>> >Dreyer's, who put in "chocolate" chips made with vegetable
>> >shortening? Breyer's, thickened with tara gum to avoid using as much
>> >expensive butterfat? You tell me. Back up your claim. Name 5 or 6.
>>
>> Breyer's has always been icy crap.
>
>Breyer's has an "All Natural" line. B&J doesn't, maybe because it
>would call attention to the fact that some of their ice creams ARE NOT
>all natural, whereas Haagen-Dasz is all natural.

Motor oil is "all natural" too. That doesn't make it
better ice cream than B&J's.

>> Dreyer's is better, and I don't buy their chocolate chip.
>
>Edy's/Dreyer's, which I buy because it's cheap, is not first rate ice
>cream. It isn't in the same league with Haagen-Dazs. Breyer's (icy
>crap) Chocolate Chip is all natural. Too bad Dreyer's can't make the
>same claim. Breyer's (icy crap) Chocolate Chip sounds good right now,
>and we have some in the freezer.

So you confuse "all natural" with quality. You're
illogical. We get that. We actually expected it
once you started ranting about how great HD is.

>> Ben and Jerry's is better by a ton.
>
>They're coasting on a reputation they earned in the past, back when
>they used all natural ingredients. Read this:
>"Ben & Jerry's misleads customers by falsely claiming that some of its
>ice cream and frozen yogurt products are 'All Natural,' when they
>contain artificial flavors, hydrogenated oils, or other factory-made
>substances, according to a complaint filed today by the nonprofit
>Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI). The group wants the
>Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to take enforcement action against
>the company, a unit of the multinational food conglomerate Unilever."
> source-- http://www.cspinet.org/new/200207301.html

Anyone can file a complaint.

Where's the posting showing that CSPI proved that B&J was
mislabelling product?

>If you don't recognize the domain, it's the Center for Science in the
>Public Interest's own website.
>
>> Bluebell is definitely better.
>
>Are you on drugs? The following is for their Butterscotch Nut flavor:
>Ingredients: Milk, cream, sugar, skim milk, roasted almonds (almonds,
>partially hydrogenated soybean oil, salt), corn syrup, high fructose
>corn syrup, brown sugar, coconut oil, modified food starch, natural
>and artificial flavor, salt, cellulose gum, vegetable gums (guar,
>carrageenan, carob bean), soy mono- and diglycerides, artificial color
>(includes Red 40).
> source--
> http://www.allbusiness.com/agriculture-forestry/animal-produ ction-cattle/602646-1.html
>
>Haagen-Dazs doesn't put crap like that in their products.

HD isn't better. Ice cream is an artificial combination
of sugar, cow's milk, and chicken ova. Those things don't
occur in any combination, naturally. And in the combination
HD uses, under their process, it doesn't taste as good as
Bluebell.

>> The stuff in the Dove bars is better.
>
>Let's look at the ice cream in the Dove bars:

So far you haven't looked at any ice cream. You've looked
at labels and continued your false presumption that
ingredient lists determine quality.

>Ingredients:
>Ice Cream: Cream, Skim Milk, Milk, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Natural Flavor,
>Mono And Diglycerides, Carob Bean Gum, Guar Gum, Egg Yolks,
>Carrageenan, Beta Carotene.
> source-- http://www.supercow.com/products/icecream/dove.html
>
>Let's see? What do they need the Mono And Diglycerides, Carob Bean
>Gum, Guar Gum and Carrageenan for? Hmmm?

So it doesn't end up being an airy brick that turns to
water, like HD does.

>I like Dove bars, but the ice cream inside is not Haagen-Dazs quality.

No. It's better.

>> There are several small gelato companies stocking locally.
>
>But you wrote, "Now HD is probably the 5th or 6th best ice cream in
>any
>case it appears in." You throw in a few nameless "gelato" companies,
>and insist, I guess, that there are the requisite number "in any case
>[HD] appears in."
>Besides, isn't traditional gelato that diet (reduced fat) ice cream
>(ice milk)?

Every town has local producers that outclass the ice cream
that was invented to satisfy a marketing plan.

>> There's never any need to stoop to buying Haagen Dazs.
>
>More for the rest of us.

No, more just for you.

Ever notice that there's always a full rack of HD, while many
of the B&J's flavors are sold out or nearly so?

They stock those every night.

Seems most people agree that many flavors of B&J are better
than any flavor of HD.

>Haagen-Dazs sets the standard for
>commercially available ice cream.

Are you Mrs. Haagen or Mrs. Dazs?

(Yes, that's a joke. I know it's a joke, because there is
no Mr. Haagen or Mr. Dazs. That's because the two words aren't
names. They aren't even words. They were made up by the
dorks who saw you coming and made up a marketing plan to suck
money out of your pocket while selling you junk instead of
ice cream.)

>B&J used to have high standards as
>well, but after selling out to Unilever, they have dropped into the
>next tier.

Then they're still at least one tier up on Haagen-Dazs.

--Blair